TreeKiwi wrote:1Al wrote:HunterVK wrote:
yes they R spooky but is bored an no fun trackin 1h RT big bear and than give up because he never stop even if u all time crouching with scent eliminator.. On other side u cann easily kill unrealistic number of small bears . Here's example
https://www.thehunter.com/#profile/hunt ... n/79959978
Exactly. Another big issue with GB males is that they are scared at 150m and then never stop to flee, I saw tracks after hundreds of meters in crouch mode, and they were always in fleeing mode. Once for istance, I started the game from tent, next to that I have a tower, as soon as I climbed the tower, I saw with binoculars a fleeing big grizzly, I guess a male, it was at 215 mt. It's basically impossible to hunt them. Then I've been there to get close few male grizzlies, but it is rather random.
When was the last time you went out and hunted them? That was like that before the fix, but as you can see in the stream the other day you can get close to them easy now.
Were they male or female? What weapons were used? What was the range of your shots? Did you chance upon them? Did you find tracks and hunt them down close? Did you sight them long distance and hunt them down close? Were they coming toward you or walking away? Serious questions, I'm trying to learn what I can from others since they were adjusted.
I immediately stopped hunting grizzlies when they broke, around the release of Piccabeen Bay, and have attempted to hunt exactly one(1) male grizzly since then, about two weeks ago. I found a nice set of tracks and set out for him, tracked him with all my usual quiet, camo'd and scentless tact, had multiple spooks, and never placed eyes on him before giving up after over an hour. The issue for me with grizzlies has always been their very fast roam speed, in conjunction with their extremely infrequent rest periods, in conjunction with their extremely short rest period duration. But back then they were often easy to approach, I'd say I could walk up to average to large sized males and they'd stand ground about 50%/spook 50% of the time. I was perfectly happy with those odds, because the reward of an easy kill was nicely countered by the very high cost of spooking it away. I say "very high cost of spooking" because, for me, those that spooked were more prone to re-spooking, and their very fast roam speed and extremely infrequent and extremely short resting periods were off the charts. Basically once I was behind my grizzlies, trying to track them down/catch up to them within distance of my next shot was pretty impossible not to mention
verrry time-consuming. If I managed to steer them into more open ground in their very sight-limited habitat, I considered myself as blessed lucky. I'm not the greatest hunter of all time, I've been humbled in this game as much as the next player, but grizzly AI skittishness aside, you give me an animal that I can gain even just a little bit of ground on, even just a little bit at a time with crouch-walking, and I'll get that animal nine times out of ten. Now, give me an animal that I can never gain ground on with a crouch-walk, and I might get that animal five times out of ten, based on luck in the form of a patch of open enough terrain or a bear turn-around. Then, give me an animal that I can never gain ground on with a crouch-walk, toss in a handful of really skittish AI, and I'll be lucky to get that animal one time out of ten, and it will be purely luck-based, and it will take farrr more time than I'm willing to invest unless it was the biggest griz I ever saw. This to me is not fun, and a waste of time, and sad to see such a fun animal go to waste. I should add that I also stopped hunting polar bears when the bug reports started flowing, and I've yet to re-visit them once.
So, has grizzly roam speed changed/been adjusted to a bit slower now since first release? Have their rest periods gotten more frequent since first release? Have their rest periods gotten longer in duration since first release? Again, serious questions.
TreeKiwi wrote:Grizzlies stalking humans is almost unheard of guys. Attacks are usually because they were startled or they are protecting their young. So to implement your suggested idea would be unlikely.
TreeKiwi wrote:1Al wrote:TreeKiwi wrote:I did not say anything about polar bears, it was in reference to Grizzly bears. People starting to talk about behaviors that are not a common trait for them. I went live and shot two on Thursday with bows, I really do not see the problem with them.
Surely for grizzly males to have a radar, is not a common trait of bears
You can watch the last live EW stream if you like, I shot two with a bow and they had no idea I was there. I am not sure how you are hunting, but you might want to think about trying to be more sneaky, so you can get closer to them. Grizzly Bears are actually very alert and will try and avoid humans.
Here is a LINK with a little information about them, the part you might like to read is the 'Interactions with humans'. It states there "Mothers defending cubs are the most prone to attacking, and are responsible for 70% of humans killed by grizzlies." also it states "Grizzly bears normally avoid contact with people. In spite of their obvious physical advantage they rarely actively hunt humans".
How the Grizzlies are now are true to life and are functioning properly. As you saw in Ron's video the other night, they will still attack you if they are startled.
I hope this clears up your thoughts around Grizzly Bears.
TK
TreeKiwi wrote:BucksNBuffalo wrote:TreeKiwi wrote:I did not say anything about polar bears, it was in reference to Grizzly bears. People starting to talk about behaviors that are not a common trait for them. I went live and shot two on Thursday with bows, I really do not see the problem with them.
I know this, my brother. I brought up the Polar Bears because I have no real problems with the Grizzlies. My only thing about the Grizzlies is that it’s only the small females that attack, and the males all run like hell which certainly isn’t right but it’s nowhere near as wrong as the Polar Bear is. The Polar Bear in game is the exact opposite of what it should be, when it should be the most dangerous animal in the game. And it makes it virtually worthless to hunt because they do not spawn in great numbers as it is. Aggressive Polar Bears, as they should be, would really justify the low numbers.
Well if you read the link. It says that
IF they do attack, it is mostly (70% of all attacks) always females who are defending their cubs, so if it is a higher percentage of females attacking, considering we do not even have cubs in the game. I would say that is pretty accurate.
I have actually just spent the last hour reading about Polar Bears as well, here are some quotes straight from the Wiki article.
"Unlike brown bears, polar bears are not territorial. Although stereotyped as being voraciously aggressive, they are normally cautious in confrontations, and often choose to escape rather than fight.[73] Satiated polar bears rarely attack humans unless severely provoked." and then "However, due to their lack of prior human interaction, hungry polar bears are extremely unpredictable, fearless towards people and are known to kill and sometimes eat humans"
So the second highlighted quote arguably helps you more than me, accept that it states that HUNGRY polar bears are extremely unpredictable. I do not imagine there is a food shortage in the EHR, Doc would not allow that
. So after reading more about both Grizzlies and Polar bear it has re confirmed that their behaviour now is actually pretty spot on!
Good debate non the less.
TreeKiwi wrote:HunterVK wrote:TreeKiwi wrote:
You can watch the last live EW stream if you like, I shot two with a bow and they had no idea I was there. I am not sure how you are hunting, but you might want to think about trying to be more sneaky, so you can get closer to them. Grizzly Bears are actually very alert and will try and avoid humans.
Here is a LINK with a little information about them, the part you might like to read is the 'Interactions with humans'. It states there "Mothers defending cubs are the most prone to attacking, and are responsible for 70% of humans killed by grizzlies." also it states "Grizzly bears normally avoid contact with people. In spite of their obvious physical advantage they rarely actively hunt humans".
How the Grizzlies are now are true to life and are functioning properly. As you saw in Ron's video the other night, they will still attack you if they are startled.
I hope this clears up your thoughts around Grizzly Bears.
TK
TK, u killed 2 small bears , that's point. Only small bears attacking and not spook easy. But big ones is almost impossible to hunt in woods.. U cann hope only that he will run on open so u cann shoot at him from more than 150m.
I am happy to go and have a look for some big ones
I have never shot a trophy one yet. These were ones I came across, I was not actively hunting them. All big animals in the game are more spooky as well, just worth mentioning.
I'm not sure I understand this. Now, after all this time, you guys decide to really hype up the realism factor and choose one animal for it? Is this a new direction for EW since Alena's departure? If so, why wasn't it truly hyped up and announced when you guys first "fixed" at the exact same time you released Piccabeen Bay instead of letting the playerbase discover it for themselves and subsequently flood the forums and your support staff with bug reports? Also if so, why hasn't as much realism hype been put into the four new animals in Piccabeen Bay?(honestly, have you seen the SIZE of the water buffalo horns? every other male WB I see has a rack the size of the greatest and most impressive WB rack ever caught on camera) If not, then what makes the grizzlies so special that you are touting the realism factor for them and them alone? What about the fun and rewarding gameplay factor, should we prepare to expect less of this for future animals? And now, after all that's been said and done since both bears broke, why are players seeing yet
another change in their behavior with the females being the ones to stand ground while the males are still reportedly still as skittish as they became after the Piccabeen Bay release? All in all, none of this adds up for me. I'm still not convinced that you guys have any sort of handle on the grizzlies, or the polar bears. If I'm right about this, my bad, please understand how easy it is/has been to be confused and discouraged by all these bear matters. If I'm wrong, please provide some proof of it, please re-adjust the grizzlies back to where they were before Piccabeen Bay for a period of one week to let us see and compare. Personally, I would make a vow to hunt grizzlies solely for that entire week, three hours a day real-time, in order to re-evaluate my thoughts on the current "realism-drenched" grizzlies. Thanks.