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WHAT YOU SHOULD'VE KNOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T.



I - eager to win competitions ? Well then pay attention to this:
1) watch the weight of the animals in that map, in that session. The higher the number and frequency of more than two species means that we might have strike gold. It's a sign that trophy animals are roaming around you, you just have to find them in time until time runns up.
2)If you found a trophy animal (big score) there are 90% chancees to be another one of almost equal weight and value. So if the score or weight counts for that competition, pay attention to this and search for the second trophy animal of that species.

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II - wanna hunt Cottontail rabbits and you can't see them in higher grass ?
1)Well first buy a pointer dog, it will bring them on a silver plate to you, the higher frequency you use it in your hunts, the higher the skill will get and be better at bring them in your rifle's scope. 2)Secondly, change the graphics setting to LOW (game geometry parameter to be more precisely). Now the bushes are rare and you can see that furry beast quicklier.
3) before shooting at anything, especially if you can see a large area of field, look with your scope if there aren't some rabbits in the open. Sometimes theu are just sitting in the open, an easy kill for you if you pay attention.
4)Buy the English Hunting Outfit bundle, it's the best for hunting rabbits, it has sound and scent reduction which are crucial for getting close to them for the kill if needed.


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III- Apocalypse Saw competition tip:
Here the weight counts so pay attention to it for pigs. Pay attention to these tips, available ONLY if you have maximum tracking skill (20):
1)Track just females with weight range 155-175kg, don't waste time for other values.
2)If you encounter often males with 155-175kg range, then 90% chances are that game's engine won't generate females in the same range (155-175kg) so I will advise to restart the map.You will gain precious time.
3)if you encounter in 90% of your female pig search lower and very low weight values, there are 99% chances you won't find pig females in your desire range (155-175kg) so I will advise to restart the map. You will gain precious time.
4) in very rare occasions you will find female pig tracks of 160-180kg. If you do, even if after visual recon you will get 155-165kg or 150-165kg, the female pig score will be over 160 for sure, depending randomly. You can get 161 to 164kg.But if you are lucky such pig could be the 169kg one and you will win for sure the competitions.
5)New team , in my opinion and experience, made some changes with ferral females weight algorithms , because before Dmitri era, if you found a 155-175 kg ferral pig female, 50% chances were to be a 169kg one. So now you can't win that easy as once one could.
6)If you find a 155-175kg female pig track keep in mind that there is at least another one (sometimes I found three 155-175kg female tracks), so if the first has not the numbers you need, try find the second one, it's there for sure.

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IV- remember always to use the terrain in your advantage, especially if you can overview large tree free areas in front of you. Use hill tops to scope the horizon.

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V- always , before taking the shot, check if you are using the right ammo for it or the right rifle/gun.



VI- When you wanna buy hunting camo costumes buy a bundle , not separately, you will get a significant discount.

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VII- try to resist the temptation to run all the time on a map. Sometimes that will pay off. Avoid to run in a very wide open area, you will just spook all the animals around for sure.

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VIII-common mushrooms are easy to find on the main roads. Just walk on them and look for the mushrooms. Sometimes, depending on the objects random generating, you will, as a bonus, find deer racks, too.
Tip: The Yellow Swamp Russula you can find it around a water area. Just go round into that area until you find it.

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IX- if you really need to take a shot when the animals is moving , try take the shot at the front of its body rather than at its rear. If you aim it for its rear part, you have a better chance to miss.

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X- try increase the rifle/gun skill quicklier in the game, it will pay off in long run. Exercise great attention and concentration when you decide to take the shot when you are on your knees stance and especially if the animal is over 100-150m. Avoid to do that when your rifle/gun skill is low, you will almost always miss the shot.When the wepon skill is low, it's better to come closer to the animal, less chances to miss.

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XI- don't follow/track a very sensitive animal (felines and deer), especially when you have a lot of visual obstacles in front of you, you just lose precious time. Instead do this, try go to a parallel path with it (avoid running and walking, use knee stance) until you have the visual advantage to see it and take the shot. This will help especially if you spook an animal that is running along the map borders.Use always the terrain for your advantage in these scenarios. Keep in mind that you can align easier a shot if you have the higher ground.

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XII- Are you in desperate look for a pair of deer antlers in Hirschfelden map ? You've come to the right place. You can find Fallow and Red deer antlers easy in field areas. Just use the scope to locate them.

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XIII- Sometimes when you are eager to start a new session or you come from one and go to another one, especially if you are switching maps, you may wanna check if you have the right animal callers in your backpack for that map. You wouldn't want winding up near a trophy animal just to discover you don't have its caller when you need it, would you ?

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XIV- If you find a trophy animal, there are very good chances to be another one of that tier, somewhere in that map.

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1)If you are tracking a specific animal existent in that map and you don't want to call it directly (using the caller you have for it in your backpack), use this trick: use a caller for another animal you have in the backpack and wait to see if the species you are looking for or you suspect is in the near vecinity, answers the call. Sometimes it does but you have to call more than once. Also keep in mind that in the proximity area are both males and females, the female from the same species would answer the call first. Just once in 12 years I saw this situation: there was a wide open area in front of me and there were three blacktail females and one blacktail male. One of the female called first , but after one more call of a female from the same group, the male called, too. In all this time I was calling them. So it's possible to hear a male call of the same species if there are females there, too. But 99 from 100 cases, the females will answer the call only. Use this to your advantage, especially of you have visibility in front of you of a large area and you have time to manouvre to place a perfect shot.

2)Also keep in mind that if there are females and males from the same species, the females will come quicklier at you to investigate the call. You will notice that the male(s) stay a step back of the females even if they are aproaching so use this knowledge if you wanna catch the male only or you want to avoid females spooking the male.

3)The same when there are males only, the trophy one will remain in the back, the less valuable will get faster to you if you call the animal.

4)If you are hunting foxes in northern part of Bushrangers Run, to force the fox to call and disclose their position on the Huntermate device, use another caller and call constantly. You will notice that the nearest fox will call eventually. Use this to your advantage to discover their location sooner and gain time.

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XVI- If a animal is trotting , it won't answer the call. Also if the animal entered rest mode it won't answer the call even if seconds ago it called, so you may asume that this happened if a animal which just called in front of you but you don't see it, suddenly "disappeared" on the radar

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XVII- When you use the max geometry detail settings and you are able to see at 320m in front of you, even if you see in visual range one, if it is not closer than 220m, it won't hear your call.

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XVIII- If you have large visibility in front of you and more than one animal aproaches when you call them, use this tip to increase the chances to kill more than one in the same time:

let them come as close as possible to you (30-50m). Kill first the animal which is the farthest from you. This way you have enough time to manouvre quickly your scope to kill, as well, the animal which was the closest to you, when you opened fire. You will see that with a little practice you can kill at least two/three animals this way. Remember, the better the rifle you use, the better chances to kill them instantly.

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XVII - Test your aquired weapons and find out which are the best when it comes to range and power to put down an animal. Use the right tool for the right job! As in real life, some weapons (rifles) can penetrate at long distances deep into the animal skin doing real damage. Some rifles won't do significant damage at great ranges, but they will do if the distance is cut in half. Pistols and shotguns do real damage if you are close, after 50 meters you are on "your own" sort of speak. Arrows are good and do real damage if you are close.

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XIX- when you start a hunt and you don't have a good idea where to start from and how to search for animals, try to cover, cleverly, most part of the map and use the huntermate to discover what animals left those tracks that are in front of you. Also keep in mind that, on a map, animals are in constantly moving, so reseeing an area you inspected before wouldn't be such a bad idea.

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XX-Keep in mind that IF you don't have the huntermate in your hand you can't detect if there are collectables near you that you can't see and also you can't hear faint distant sounds that animal emitt.(felines especially)

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XXI- If an animal called and you called back doesn't mean that there, in that area are just you two. It might be other animals from the same species that heard the calls and they are getting right to you, so keep that in mind.Also there might be animals from other species that you called around and they can spook your prey long before you reach it if you are getting close to them.
As a rule it's better to wait for animal calls than going forward and using all your callers you have in your backpack. It's better to find out their location than give it yours away. Call only when you have a certain plan.

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XXII- When you called an animal and you are certain that it's coming to you, make sure , when it arrives in the area, that you already positioned yourself in the best spot, to benefit of all terrain advantage. Learn to use terrain and be quick about it, otherwise you can encounter situations in which you are disadvantaged:

1)the animal sees you first because it is on higher ground than you and runs

2)you positioned yourself in the wind and it felt you on spot and run)

3)Between it and you there's another animal that senses you and spook your animal

Keep this tip in mind too:

If the animal called and you pinpointed its position your huntermate DON'T asume that it will come in straight line. Watch left and right flanks, especially if there are bushes or forest parts between you and the location from where it called from.

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XXIII- If you are in Picabeen bay map and you manouvre through the swamp from the east end of the region following tracks of an animal, it would be wise to have a powerful rifle with you in case some water buffalo sneaks upon you. It would be wise also to have the rifle without its scope prepared. Water buffalo often appears from nowhere and you won't have time to use the scope for that weapon, often these scenarios end with you on the ground and the buffalo running.

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XXIV- pay attention to secondary pair of sounds that animals emitts other than call sound. Sometimes you can sense one which is near you if you learned the sounds and pay attention. Also use your binocular when you have an open are in front of you. You might never know when you can spot an easy unexpected kill.

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XXV- when starting or joining a competition TAKE a GOOD LOOK at its conditions. If you don't do that you will often wind up realising that you missed something in the short run. Common mistakes:

1)Sometimes you are "blinded" and you don't notice that the reserve where you have to hunt that animal is different than the one you thought it was.

2)You missmatched the species because you didn't pay attention, you just took a look at a picture and your brain figured out the rest, but wrong.(confusing red deer with elk; bobcat with lynx etc)

3)you forgot, in your rush, to kill it with the mandatory weapon or ammo.

4)you mistaken a competition condition with another your mind made it up because of the rush.(you thought its score it counts instead of its weight; you confused its weight with the average weight etc)

5)you take the wrong spare ammo for your rifle and when you need it most you end up cursing and losing that trophy animal you wanted to kill.

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XXVI- Tracks.

If you don't have the maximum skill for tracking (a thing you should consider taking it serious if you want results) than tracking an animal could prove difficult and even stressful, especially if you saw that the animal you are chasing is a trophy one, which you could win that competition you're in with.
You could use a hound dog as an alternative but if the dog is low on skill, it won't help too much either.
But if you worked hard and you have the max track skill (20), then here are some tips if things don't seem to go your way:

1)If the animal has a body wound it will tend to run in a straight line, but not forever, it could steer, in the long run, to one side so pay attention to that aspect. No matter what direction the tracks will indicate at one time, use the common sense to determine the direction you must follow in your chase. For instance, if you run towards it, it won't happend to turn direction and run to you etc. As an exception, IF the terrain is too rough for the animal or the water is too deep to cross it, then it could come straight to you, so in these situations , be prepared , especially if there is an animal that strikes back (bear, moose puma, pig). Sometimes you can face a situations where, out of nowhere an animal comes running towards you without noticing you.If you pay attention and you are quick you can score an easy kill.(I encountered that situation in swamp terrain many times, killing easy pigs, bears and deer, even bobcats which were caught/stranded in the swamp. A bobcat in water even if it's running can be an easy kill)

2)Sometimes you will notice that, even if you found hopefully its next track, some of the tracks are missing. That is because some coordinates of the point where the track should be are "under" the map, which is common in almost every map from time to time. this thing happens especially of the new big maps that have significant differences of height (Picabeen Bay for instance)

3)even so, sometimes you will find yourself not being able to find any track of that animal you are chasing, in a considerable area around the last known track. Don't discourage, just use your logic and go further (in a circle pattern) until you find one (pay attention to its time, it is a good indicator that you are on the right "track" sort of speak). Using your logic means that: if the animal came originally towards you on its path, it is logic to run in the opposite side if you spooked it, so there is useless to search for it at 6 o'clock etc

4)sometimes you will find two sets of tracks of the same animal but you will notice that the old ones are timed as 60 minutes. Ignore the old ones and follow just the newer timed tracks. It will save you time.


5)Sometimes you could pick an animal track you would like to follow but you notice that its tracks are old (60 minutes). You also would notice that even if you acknowledged more than 20 tracks, the value of time is not decreasing. In this case it means that you are going, relatively, in the wrong direction, meaning that the animal took this path long ago but it changed it at some point, going into the opposite one.

6)it's a good thing if you could learn to distinguish, without using the huntermate, between tracks (using just the LOOK to those tracks) and between the directions of the same animal tracks.It will help a lot, especially if you don't want to discard the animal tracks you are chasing when other animal called and it's very close to you and you want to catch it, too. Also valuable as method when you track a running wounded animal and another calls and it's near you.

7)if you are in a competition and you need to kill a specific trophy animal, it's not a bad idea to check, from time to time, tracks you encounters into your path. Who knows, maybe you will find the track you were searching for.


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XXVII - You wanna hunt pumas but those annoying felines won't show up and are hard to find ? This is a tip that will get you out of trouble. When you go hunting on Timbergold Trail in the north mountain region just take a caller with you, any caller it doesn't matter. If a puma is in your 220m range, it will answer the call seconds you called.In order to work and be effective, place yourself on a ridge to have visibility on a wide area, otherwise it won't help you much hearing the call from the middle of the forest. Remember that pumas can reply with audible that won't register on your huntmate (that weak "meow" and that echoed roar) so sometimes you will have to insist on calling it.

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XXVIII - Callers

When you use callers , especially to call felines and you use a tree stand, pay attention to this trick: IF you call while you are walking and then you go up in the tree, the animal will come near the stand and you don't want that. In order not to make this mistake do this: go on the spot you want the feline (animal) to come. Call it! DON'T MOVE until the calling animation is finished! If you move , you are on square one explained above. After that go up on your tree stand and wait for it. Keep in mind that some felines (especially foxes) sometimes (still it's rare) won't show up exactly on the spot you called. I don't know if that is a bug or not but I confirm that I see these cases first hand. If that is the case, don't lose hope, call them again from your tree stand or wherever you are hidden and, now, knowing where they are, because they called when they arrived and you looked on your huntermate and acknowledged their position, wait them to come with your rifle loaded and be quick about it taking the shot.

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XXIX - Animals sensitivity

You might not know but the higher score the animal has, the higher its sensitivity! Keep that in mind if you wanna catch that trophy animal you just saw with your binoculars. Otherwise you will wonder why is it spooking so fast when it's not that close as you thought it should be in order to be spooked. Male Deer especially spook easy and they see you if you make sudden moves even at 150m. Felines have their sensitivity a notch up. In plane sight you can easily notice that a bobcat for instance, which is with its back at you and walks, stops and turn its head into your direction, even if you are over 150m and you are walking crouched, when it hears you moving.


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XXX- If you are going into an area that has mountains/steep cliffs it's mandatory to take a medical kit. You never know when you can missappreciate a slope and you must go back kilometers back if you are hurt and not having medical help. Having a kit at you, bails you out, so it is worth it having it at you. The same, in the areas where are animals that can fight back (Moose, Bisons, Water buffalos etc)


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PS - I might update the guide, so pay attention to it from time to time.You're welcome!
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XXXI

If you have max skill with any bow or any bow that suits you and make you feel comfortable with it, use it instead of a noisy gun. You would make less noise and you won't spook animals that are close to you relatively. The disavantage is that you will lose much time (1/3 to double in my opinion) comparing with an alert pace in your hunt.
Also keep in mind that, even with not so quite bows, IF you make an instant kill (both lung or/and heart), animals even very close to the one you just killed won't spook and you will have the chance to kill more than one. Don't rush when you fire with a bow and if the situation allows it, wait until the animal stopped.
After you killed a few animals from the same species with a silent bow, don't walk or run, stay crouched and listen/call again , there may be other animals from the same species coming in your direction, attracted from your previous call.
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Good advice. With parker python you don´t need any skill at all with it´s range finder. Though sometimes shoot first ask animals questions later is a good approach as you are so close to the animals and they can easilly spot you and spook when you try and have a conversation with them.
bows are even better for animals you don´t want but are in the way of animals you do want.
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knott wrote:Good advice. With parker python you don´t need any skill at all with it´s range finder.

I beg to differ my friend.You DO need a skill for bow if you want performance and results, you can't just improvise or rely on luck.That's not a professional would do. The higher the skill, the longer you can keep it tensed to fire precisely at an animal. This perk was explained extensively when bows, here, were created/designed (long, long time ago). That skill for bow is not just for show, it really does that. Try it and you'll see what I am talking about. Also try fire with skill one or two with a bow and see the difference. After 2 seconds the bow sight is going flat down and you can't shoot at all. If I were you I would take seriously my advice; after 13 years here and experience I know what I am talking about.
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XXXII - Targets of oportunity

Sometimes when you follow a track and you are crouched, so you make less noise, you could encounter in your path targets of oportunity. Sometimes being place in a good spot waiting for an animal you just called, you may see other animals in the vecinity. Depending on your plan you can take them out as well, if you have the skill and a less noisy weapon. Once I was wating for a Lynx to show up and, soon, a moose, a brown bear and two Roes appeared out of the blue exactly in that spot I was surveilling. So, you never know when an opportunity for an easy kill might come, so it's better to be prepared.

XXXIII - "For a good general luck is important"

Here's a tip that, if you pay attention to it in field, will help you a lot. When you chase big male deer, like Elk for example and they are in alert mode (so they are more sensitive for a period of time), coming to close to them won't do you any good, BUT if you, instead of looking for them, you are looking for THEIR antlers, high above the ground of a ridge, you may spot THAT quicklier and before they senses you and you can put yourself easier in a position to take a distance shot and finish them.


XXXIV - Animal hearing sense

Use this tip if you are near water sea bank ONLY (it won't work on river or lake banks) or it's raining: animals hearing sense is cut in half when these conditions are present. Use this advantage to come closer or to kill them when they are unaware of your presence. Remember, they might hear you less, but they still sense you with their smell sense if you are in the wind so be careful.
I don't know if the new team tampered with that game mechanic and changed it, in old days this trick worked.

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Vanatorul_Roman wrote:
knott wrote:Good advice. With parker python you don´t need any skill at all with it´s range finder.

I beg to differ my friend.You DO need a skill for bow if you want performance and results, you can't just improvise or rely on luck.That's not a professional would do. The higher the skill, the longer you can keep it tensed to fire precisely at an animal. This perk was explained extensively when bows, here, were created/designed (long, long time ago). That skill for bow is not just for show, it really does that. Try it and you'll see what I am talking about. Also try fire with skill one or two with a bow and see the difference. After 2 seconds the bow sight is going flat down and you can't shoot at all. If I were you I would take seriously my advice; after 13 years here and experience I know what I am talking about.
2 seconds is plenty. Wait longer and the animals may spook. What I find tricky is judging distance on a 2d panel and on many of the classic am bows its tricky to aim. But the rangefinder on the python is really accurate and I do shots with ease I am incapable off with the classic bows. Or even the regular modern 3-5 pin sights :)

You give very solid advice I am not questioning your authoritae but I do believe the parker python with the rangefinder sight is a helluva shortcut for being success ful with your bowhunting :)

Hopefully we soon will get a vr compatible hunting game so we can judge distance to targets much easier
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I see your point. Well maybe you have a knack for it and that is why you say it is easy even with low bow skill. Not everyone has its talents for granted, isn't it ? That is why this is a guide and I have to think to ALL of the young hunters that struggle in the beginnings of the game.
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XXXV - Running

In maps that have long rivers (so long river banks, too), like Timbergold Trail and Redfeather Falls, you will be tempted to run if the coast is clear in front of you and you will always asume that you will see first the animal far away in front of you before it sees you. Instead of running along the river bank maybe it will be a good idea to run parallel with the bank (river) but in the forest area no matter which side. This way, because of the density of the trees, you'll be harder to spot.Kkeep that in mind and use this trick instead of running in plain area with your shirt open showing your naked chest to everyone including animals.
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Running is generally not advisable unless you in need of getting somewhere fast. If you think you are in a dead zone of the map (no calls at all, no tracks at all) then start running. If you have not seen the on-screen prompt that running may scare animals after 30 seconds or more, then you are certainly in a dead zone. It will appear when you are around ~250m or so away from an animal and either will or have just spooked it. I have a hunch that the spook zone from running is very directional, since I've had times after running where I've stopped and got a call from an animal to the side that looked to be way under 250m and should have spooked if it's a circular pattern.

Rain is a double edged sword. Yes they can't hear you as well, but you can't hear them. If you're listening for rabbits padding through the grass, flappy birds flapping or you just like skulking around in the weeds waiting for your ambush victim to come in then you're out of luck. Long range visibility nose dives too.
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Jimmy Rustle wrote:Running is generally not advisable unless you in need of getting somewhere fast. If you think you are in a dead zone of the map (no calls at all, no tracks at all) then start running. If you have not seen the on-screen prompt that running may scare animals after 30 seconds or more, then you are certainly in a dead zone. It will appear when you are around ~250m or so away from an animal and either will or have just spooked it. I have a hunch that the spook zone from running is very directional, since I've had times after running where I've stopped and got a call from an animal to the side that looked to be way under 250m and should have spooked if it's a circular pattern.

Rain is a double edged sword. Yes they can't hear you as well, but you can't hear them. If you're listening for rabbits padding through the grass, flappy birds flapping or you just like skulking around in the weeds waiting for your ambush victim to come in then you're out of luck. Long range visibility nose dives too.
I think you missunderstood parts of what I was saying friend. I never say it's...adviceable to run, I said/presumed that most of the time a BEGINNER will be tempted to do that, and, in this case, I gave the best advice possible, meaning: if you already made up your mind and you want to run, then at least take THIS precaution (run along the river bank but in the forest part being less visible). That was the message, not what you were implying, that I advised them to run.

Secondly, I was not talking about the rain tip in the scenario you implied. Who would be stupid enough to think that he can catch a bird near the shore because it rains ? I was talking about chasing a medium/big game, where my tip really works. I beg to differ that you can't hear them, you can, the only thing you must do is to really want that. If you crank up a notch the sound you will surprised how much animal sounds you can hear when it's raining,

Thirdly, long range visibility plays no role in my tip scenario area, it's irrelevant. I was talking about sounds, not visibility, have you noticed ?

I understand that you stated a point but, unfortunately it had nothing to do with the tips I offered. No offense.
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