Lets clear a map!

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Like David said, it's totally random. So if we do this i think we should do it to find out how many animals spawn. It would be nice to see if the animal population has changed or not since last time it was done.

VDB sounds like fun, will be a pain getting every single bird, but i guess it's possible. I'd like to hunt Ibex on the south-east part of the map, if no one mind.


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kevin2106 wrote:Like David said, it's totally random.
Actually I didn't say that ;)
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caledonianblues wrote:What happens if you do it once, twice, or even a few times and there's a rare, a leaderboard animal or a non-typical each time? That doesn't prove that one of those is generated in every spawn. It just proves that one was generated in those hunts. You would have to do it a lot more times to get an answer that players would be willing to buy. I know the answer, and I'm sure many others do, but I'm interested to see your results. You absolutely won't do this in less than a few hours, but good luck with it. Whatever happens, I'm sure it will be a great hunt.
I'm not trying to sell anything to players. Just increase my knowledge of the game. You know the answer, great man. So you have lots of knowledge and can tell me for certain that multiple players can't do this in a couple of hours. Thanks for saving us the time.
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TrueshotM wrote:I'm not trying to sell anything to players.
OK perhaps not, but wouldn't you need more evidence than a few hunts before you reached a conclusion? All I'm saying is you need a larger dataset for these kind of things.
TrueshotM wrote:Just increase my knowledge of the game. You know the answer, great man. So you have lots of knowledge and can tell me for certain that multiple players can't do this in a couple of hours. Thanks for saving us the time.
There are other benefits to this kind of hunt, I don't dispute that. And like I said, it will be great fun, even if you don't kill every animal on the map or get the answer you're looking for. It would still be interesting to see just how many you can harvest on Val-des-Bois. The ptarmigans alone will contribute massively to the kill count.
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caledonianblues wrote:
kevin2106 wrote:Like David said, it's totally random.
Actually I didn't say that ;)
I thought the forums was a place for players to get together and find out stuff like this on their own. Not for a mod to come in and say I know it all and you can't do this. If you're gonna give inside information, for example you let us know that at least a couple hundred species spawn each map and not even a group of players could clear them in hours worth of playing, why not give us the answer to the question. We're not supposed to know that that many species spawn on a map, I thought for sure a single player might even have a chance, so you gave that away. How about answering if a rare / leaderboard or non typical spawns on every map load up since " you're sure so many other people know the answer"
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TrueshotM wrote:I thought the forums was a place for players to get together and find out stuff like this on their own. Not for a mod to come in and say I know it all and you can't do this.
I didn't say I know it all. I said you won't be able to clear a map in an hour, and I said a few hunts won't be enough to determine the answer to your question about rares, non-typicals and leaderboard animals.
TrueshotM wrote:If you're gonna give inside information, for example you let us know that at least a couple hundred species spawn each map and not even a group of players could clear them in hours worth of playing, why not give us the answer to the question.
What inside information did I give? I didn't give any information about spawn numbers.
TrueshotM wrote:We're not supposed to know that that many species spawn on a map, I thought for sure a single player might even have a chance, so you gave that away.
I didn't give anything away that players can't find out for themselves. Did you not see the screenshot that Seifer posted, confirming at least a couple of hundred animals on Piccabeen Bay? I killed over 60 cottontail rabbits on Logger's Point once, and that's only one of seven species, so it doesn't take a genius to take a stab at the numbers.
TrueshotM wrote:How about answering if a rare / leaderboard or non typical spawns on every map load up since " you're sure so many other people know the answer"
Where would be the fun in that? Seriously, I still think you should do as you planned. I'm not trying to discourage you and I genuinely think it would be a fun experiment. I just think you should budget for quite a bit longer than one hour, and that unless you kill every single animal, you will never be able to say for sure whether spawns include rares, non-typicals or leaderboard animals.
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caledonianblues wrote:
kevin2106 wrote:Like David said, it's totally random.
Actually I didn't say that ;)

Oops, sorry you actually didn’t, i can remember you talking about it once though, and you said it was random. So it just popped up in my head


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in a hr you wont achieve anything you need to do a full cycle that takes 7 real hrs i done it with a few people on here a couple of times. there is threads on our results. i have set up some reserves to do drives and now we have a theHunter Discord we can all use voice coms which you need to do to plan and guide the hunt as whatever you think it will go like changes at a drop of a hat and you need to be ready to instantly change up your game plan.

im interested to do it if all use voice coms and you get people who commit to the time it takes to do it properly. 7 hrs huntin no break is a long time.so you need to make sure the people understand that.are reliable and have microphones and Discord ready.

a hr doesnt really achieve much you will if its a driven hunt at best clear about a quarter of a reserve.reserves used to have 200 -400 animals. so it depends how hard you wanna hunt . i do love doing them you just need the right people and the set up right.we have been talking about it recently aswell so im sure you could find the people to take part.

the full 7 hr cycle will just give you a idea about the population numbers and possibly the species numbers per reserve not the rare ratio or trophy ratio.you would as david says need to keep repeating it over and over to get any kind of idea.tbh i dont think unless some ex employee lets it slip you will never find out the golden formula. i hope it isnt either as it would totally destroy the game.


for those who havent seen extinction hunts. we did loggers point got 246 animals in a full cycle.VDB was surprising and i think it was 120 ish.loggers was literally dead or really low.

tried to find the threads on here no luck :D

here is the VDB extinction thread with details. http://forum.thehunter.com/viewtopic.ph ... extinction
here is the loggers point thread for the extincton http://forum.thehunter.com/viewtopic.ph ... Extinction
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ronMctube wrote:VDB was surprising and i think it was 120 ish
It was 132, I quote you from one of your threads: "we have done VDB = 132 animals."

Check this map:

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That was a hunt I did on my own, which lasted 4 hours and 49minutes. I marked in red the areas I checked out. Total number of kills: 83

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That whole river trip was a rush job, because by the time I left the ibex area on the right it was getting dark, so I didn't want to waste too much time on smaller animals.

83 kills, on my own, in a far smaller area and in less time, versus 8 people spending more time on the whole map. Of course, unlike your test run, my hunt included birds, but it would still mean 132 / 6 = 22 animals per species and I don't believe a word of that. Heck, I've seen people on their own kill over 50 ibex in a single hunt and I can ensure you that they didn't find all of them.
ronMctube wrote:reserves used to have 200 -400 animals
Provide indisputable proof that this is not the case anymore, because I doubt that there are maps with less than 200 animals on it.

Heck, Rougarou Bayou can give 250 ducks and that doesn't include bobcats, whitetails, bears and hogs.

I had 102 kills on Whiterime Ridge in single player and you assume I killed more than half the population? Not even close, I didn't even check more than like 1/3 of the map and I'm sure that a lot of animals got away in the areas that I did check! :)

Logger's Point? This is what David had to say:
I killed over 60 cottontail rabbits on Logger's Point once, and that's only one of seven species, so it doesn't take a genius to take a stab at the numbers.
And I can continue with numerous other examples. Especially "total weight" competitions can often show huge amounts of animals when you look at the best players.
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unless you do it properly you have no figures worth looking at.the figure i told you was from a main person.so you either believe it or dont.ive just posted some actual figures of what was achieved from doing full day hunts start to finish.not many have done it and it was done in a organized way.through voice coms.anyone can go do a single hunt bag loads of animals in a short period.what does that lend to anything ?

to find the total number of animals you need to kill them all.simple.the first few hrs is easy.as the time goes on the longer you hunt the harder it is because there is less animals.so while you think you doing well in a short session smashing animals later on you will do terrible on your own as the animals will go everywhere and there is nothing you can do to stop them.thats why you need to do driven hunts to get what your trying to find with 8 players to stand a chance of getting close to killing all animals.the thing is you wont do it ! 7 hrs of not letting one animal slip ? no ! it isnt happening !

what must also be considered is the servers now.they arent how they used to be things can be altered drop of a hat.if wanted to. so guess you go loggers or any reserve shoot 264 animals and you kill everything as soon as you go well i done it there is 264 animals on loggers its changed !

you must remember this game life expenctancy is really based on these magic figures we dont know about. if people knew that x spawns here at 11:32am then the game becomes pointless.

its great trying to crack things or try and work out how things work i have done similar for years.i know many things which should and shouldnt work but what you are trying to work out you wont ever find out unless a) lead dev tells you b) they publish the details themselves which would make no sense as it would ruin theHunter instantly. C) you are kind of some maths genius and have all the data at hand to break it down. which you dont have any of the data so you cant work it out even if you are a maths genius.

people here would do the driven hunts.to help try and get some figures no problem.just ask and im sure they would help.just listen a little to what some have said though with a little knowledge.it will help you try and get to where you want to be as much as is possible. my number one tips are though do driven hunts with 8 people and discord.its the closest you will get to any meanable figures / data.
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