Lures/callers for other Piccabean animals

[D3AKUs]

Na Knuts correct. If everyone else can get something easier, there is not the same feeling of accomplishment. If you are all on the same page and you all know how hard it is. It's much more satisfying to bag one. If everyone is bagging them because they are now easy. It doesn't really matter how you did it. Nobody is going to care if you tricked it into drinking some poisonous tea. So then you go ah well... everyone else is doing it the easy way and the results the same. Adapt and don't see the Sambar as hard. They really aren't.

Nobody said he isnt mate

[Sherab86]

Na Knuts correct. If everyone else can get something easier, there is not the same feeling of accomplishment. If you are all on the same page and you all know how hard it is. It's much more satisfying to bag one. If everyone is bagging them because they are now easy. It doesn't really matter how you did it. Nobody is going to care if you tricked it into drinking some poisonous tea. So then you go ah well... everyone else is doing it the easy way and the results the same. Adapt and don't see the Sambar as hard. They really aren't.

Nobody said he isnt mate

That's correct.

I'll try to explain my current attitude on another example. When I played another, F2P production, I was participating in discussions on community forum (surprising, huh? ). What I've found out is that many players (usualy with high-end computers) were accusing other players (not neccessery with low-end computers) for "cheating", because they were playing on lowest graphical settings, allowing them to see enemy more easily, than with high settings. But lets look at the subject - lowest graphical settings are "legaly" aviable for every player - players with high-end PCs can set those settings too. So where is the cheating, actualy? From other hand, low-end PC users can't realy set highest graphical settings without big hit ino performance, making the game impossible to play.

If it is not clear what I mean by this, I try to explain. If I like to hunt by stalking, not using callers, sprays and whatsoever, I'm a little bit like that "high-end PC user". I can certainly do this, even if I'm gimping myself a little bit by doing so. I agree with Knut, that being aware that you can do it in more easy way kills the fun factor a little bit, and keeping to do this "hard way" is against human nature. But still, one can do this. But "calling" players vs. animal without caller aviable are a little bit as those "low-end PC users". Ok, theorethicaly they can adapt, but then they do not play any longer in the way they like, and they do preffer. They would forcing themselves do play in the way that might be even un-pleasant for them - no longer really fun. They can not to set those "high graphic settings" in oposition to "stalking" players (with can use whatever "settings" they like).

[Tanngnjostr]

I agree with Knut (and some others), the "just don't use it" argument doesn't hold water. If there was an easy way to get a certain species, barely anybody would acknowledge your success of hunting them without a caller. Also, those who appreciate the competitive aspect of the game would be forced to use the easy mechanic - if you want to hunt black bears or pigs with consistent success in the long run, you'll probably have to use barrels/feeders.

So yes, people who love to use lures will not be able to enjoy a sambar hunt, maybe dall sheep and ibex too. Well - they got more than 20 other species that can be lured in some way (callers, scents, decoys, bait sites), so I think it's okay if they forgo hunting a few others.

[Sherab86]

I agree with Knut (and some others), the "just don't use it" argument doesn't hold water. If there was an easy way to get a certain species, barely anybody would acknowledge your success of hunting them without a caller.

I don't care. I would acknowledge my success myself, and this is enough for me.

So yes, people who love to use lures will not be able to enjoy a sambar hunt, maybe dall sheep and ibex too. Well - they got more than 20 other species that can be lured in some way (callers, scents, decoys, bait sites), so I think it's okay if they forgo hunting a few others.

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Yeah, but maybe they would like to have some Sambar deers in their trophy lodge too, right? I agree that Dall Sheep is already somehow exclusive animal. With Ibex - it's environment helps a little bit - I mean, you don't have to be good stalker if you've spotted one on those steep slopes. I'm by myself rather on "stalkers" side of the picture. I usualy take some callers with me, but I don't realy like to use them, and I do use them rather occasionally (with some exceptions). From other hand, I'm not sure I can realy signin to "the stalkers" list, since I rather prefer open areas, giving long shots opportunities. Anyway, I can understand that more "pure" "calling" players may feel somwhat exluded on the new map. That's all.

All this being said, I would consider to join some training multiplayer session for Sambar. But first, I will try by myself again. I maybe only will wait till the team will release a patch Alena was talking about.

[Tanngnjostr]

Anyway, I can understand that more "pure" "calling" players may feel somwhat exluded on the new map. That's all.

Well, I think we can agree that you don't need a caller for water buffalo. They are huge, they call a lot and you can run right up to them. Granted, you can't call them under your stand, but I don't think that's necessary - not even when trying to bow hunt them. Rusa deer have a caller. So two of the new species are definitely available for "non-stalking players". Feral hogs even have three kind of lures - feeders, caller, scent spray. Which leaves banteng (large and average awareness) and sambar (pretty skittish it seems) for those who love the challenge of stalking. I can't see why someone would feel excluded from the new map.

By the way: for a long time I felt "excluded" from black bear hunting because I didn't own any barrels. Other players with a lot of bait sites racked them up in big numbers while I was dependent on shooting the occasional bear that crossed my path. I still haven't found a single 23+ black bear until today! I just swallowed it and accepted that if I wanted to enjoy black bear hunting and be successful at it, I had to buy barrels (which I eventually did). Not every species has to be for everyone - maybe sambar is not for those that like calling. And with 45 species, any lodge can look great even if you don't have a sambar, bighorn sheep or banteng in it.

[BucksNBuffalo]

If I may chime in here, I can tell you that one of the best things you can do in the game is be versatile with your hunting styles. You’ll find that you really do not need callers for the animals that do not have callers/lures for them. Bighorn and Dall Sheep are pretty cut and dry once you learn how to hunt them. You can even bow hunt them should you choose. Switch it up. Instead of always using a certain weapon or style of hunting for specific species, try something else. For example, I am already enjoying stalking Banteng and Water Buffalo and taking them with the Pulsar bow. Have even taken some Rusa and Sambar along the way. When it comes to those kinds of animals with no callers or lures, just watch their movements. It’s not hard to figure out their direction and to get into position for a shot, and it feels much more rewarding. Just a little advice is all, take it or leave it. Believe me, callers are not needed for everything.

[D3AKUs]

Anyway, I can understand that more "pure" "calling" players may feel somwhat exluded on the new map. That's all.

Well, I think we can agree that you don't need a caller for water buffalo. They are huge, they call a lot and you can run right up to them. Granted, you can't call them under your stand, but I don't think that's necessary - not even when trying to bow hunt them. Rusa deer have a caller. So two of the new species are definitely available for "non-stalking players". Feral hogs even have three kind of lures - feeders, caller, scent spray. Which leaves banteng (large and average awareness) and sambar (pretty skittish it seems) for those who love the challenge of stalking. I can't see why someone would feel excluded from the new map.

By the way: for a long time I felt "excluded" from black bear hunting because I didn't own any barrels. Other players with a lot of bait sites racked them up in big numbers while I was dependent on shooting the occasional bear that crossed my path. I still haven't found a single 23+ black bear until today! I just swallowed it and accepted that if I wanted to enjoy black bear hunting and be successful at it, I had to buy barrels (which I eventually did). Not every species has to be for everyone - maybe sambar is not for those that like calling. And with 45 species, any lodge can look great even if you don't have a sambar, bighorn sheep or banteng in it.

I can show u some exceptional spots on rb for blacks if u like. I usually ignore them and only shot the heavier ones from time to time but i have seen tons of them in some areas when i was out for cats.

[TreeKiwi]

If I may chime in here, I can tell you that one of the best things you can do in the game is be versatile with your hunting styles. You’ll find that you really do not need callers for the animals that do not have callers/lures for them. Bighorn and Dall Sheep are pretty cut and dry once you learn how to hunt them. You can even bow hunt them should you choose. Switch it up. Instead of always using a certain weapon or style of hunting for specific species, try something else. For example, I am already enjoying stalking Banteng and Water Buffalo and taking them with the Pulsar bow. Have even taken some Rusa and Sambar along the way. When it comes to those kinds of animals with no callers or lures, just watch their movements. It’s not hard to figure out their direction and to get into position for a shot, and it feels much more rewarding. Just a little advice is all, take it or leave it. Believe me, callers are not needed for everything.

Amen brother!!!

[Sherab86]

Which leaves banteng (large and average awareness) and sambar (pretty skittish it seems) for those who love the challenge of stalking. I can't see why someone would feel excluded from the new map.

Ok... I hoped this was clear that this was a "mental shortcut" Let's be more precise - some people may be dissapointed, that they can not hunt some of the exciting new animals (being this Sambar and Banteng) the way they like. And question is do such "single-hunting-technique" animals should show up? (this is open question, so to speak - I don't mean to decide about this).

If I may chime in here, I can tell you that one of the best things you can do in the game is be versatile with your hunting styles. You’ll find that you really do not need callers for the animals that do not have callers/lures for them. Bighorn and Dall Sheep are pretty cut and dry once you learn how to hunt them. You can even bow hunt them should you choose. Switch it up. Instead of always using a certain weapon or style of hunting for specific species, try something else. For example, I am already enjoying stalking Banteng and Water Buffalo and taking them with the Pulsar bow. Have even taken some Rusa and Sambar along the way. When it comes to those kinds of animals with no callers or lures, just watch their movements. It’s not hard to figure out their direction and to get into position for a shot, and it feels much more rewarding. Just a little advice is all, take it or leave it. Believe me, callers are not needed for everything.

Not everyone wants to be versatile. Some prefer to specialise and have fun this way. To be honest (refering again to Tanngnjostr post), I don't mean to buy barrels just to "catch-up" with other players. I'm perfectly fine with my occasional bears. looking at the subject purely personally, I don't mind that some species may not fit my playstyle - I did/will try them out for sure, but later on I will find a way to hunt them in "my way" (like hunting red foxes in Val-des-Buas going along the river, where I can see them from far away) or I won't be hunting them at all, or occasionally (but to be honest again, I don't find many species I couldn't hunt in "my way" in long term).

I don't have also any real problems with Banteng. I assume that "skittish" are only stags of Sambar, because I've met only hinds so far, And they've walked just a few meters from me, not spooking at all. I don't know how anyone can have troubles with buffalo too. They are everywhere around the river. But since I don't have a rifle with would be chambered for ammo allowed for them, and I'm rather after Banteng or Rusa, Buffalos are of great annoyance for me.

Actualy, I also agreed that there should be only such callers/bites, that are in IRL. We don't know anything about callers for Sambar IRL, right? So where the problem? ;P

So everything I wrote before it was try to put myself into position of someone specialised in hunting with callers, especially from treestands and so on. Problem with Sambar is that it is a new animal - so everyone would like to "try it". And I think it is more a king of the new map, than the buffalo. So I can understand somehow those "calling" specialist. I know I don't like to adapt and change my habits - IRL too. I'm evolutional specialist. This is bad for me, because we live in times favoring highly life opportunists, I would say. To make things worse, I'm also rather more idealist than pragmatist. But so I'm.

[Tanngnjostr]

I can show u some exceptional spots on rb for blacks if u like. I usually ignore them and only shot the heavier ones from time to time but i have seen tons of them in some areas when i was out for cats.

Thanks, but today if I'm going for black bears (for a competition or mission), I'm using my barrels. Which is the point I was trying to make - if there's an easy way, we will use it to maximize our efficiency. And because of this...

And question is do such "single-hunting-technique" animals should show up? (this is open question, so to speak - I don't mean to decide about this).

...I will answer Sherab86's question with "Yes" - in my personal opinion it's okay if there are some animals that can't be lured.