Loud Weapons vs Quiet Weapons

[Ravenousfox]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to know your thoughts when it comes to Loud Weapons vs Quiet Weapons - specifically Handguns vs Bows.


I like to use handguns but it makes me feel bad for using them when I shoot because I could have missed out on a big trophy animal I didn't know was in the area. Instead of taking the animal out close with a silent weapon like a bow and still have loads of animals coming into your call.

Would be nice for balance reasons if all handguns had a max spook distance instead of some being out to render distance like most rifles are.
I'd suggest no matter what caliber a handgun is an animal can't hear the shot out past 150m
I know some guns are louder than others when it comes to the caliber that was used but at least this way is more game play balanced in regards to weapon choice.

For example:
Loudest handgun in-game could be heard by an animal to a max of 150m but another lower caliber handgun can be heard at 120m
Rifles could be heard from a max distance of 220m and bows/crossbows max of 60m

Remember Rifles get the advantage of being shot at far distances while handguns vs bows & crossbows at close range bows/crossbows just win out right because they're silent.

Please comment below.

[LEFLOR]

I found some information in a forum (http://m14forum.com/hearing/78442-vario ... earms.html):
Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.

there are not all calibres, but it seems that the level of noise of handguns is close enough to rifles
Some other info at http://www.elcaudio.com/tablesforweb.pdf

[Bluejay]

Loud vs quiet
I'll choose quiet as much as I can.
Always wonder what I've spooked when I use a firearm.
I wonder if all the firearms excluding the rimfire have the same spook distance?
Either way, bows are my go to weapon. My lifetime stats reflect that with 23,999 arrow kills. 15,423 of those are with the Parker.

[Prinz1989]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to know your thoughts when it comes to Loud Weapons vs Quiet Weapons - specifically Handguns vs Bows.


I like to use handguns but it makes me feel bad for using them when I shoot because I could have missed out on a big trophy animal I didn't know was in the area. Instead of taking the animal out close with a silent weapon like a bow and still have loads of animals coming into your call.

Would be nice for balance reasons if all handguns had a max spook distance instead of some being out to render distance like most rifles are.
I'd suggest no matter what caliber a handgun is an animal can't hear the shot out past 150m
I know some guns are louder than others when it comes to the caliber that was used but at least this way is more game play balanced in regards to weapon choice.

For example:
Loudest handgun in-game could be heard by an animal to a max of 150m but another lower caliber handgun can be heard at 120m
Rifles could be heard from a max distance of 220m and bows/crossbows max of 60m

Remember Rifles get the advantage of being shot at far distances while handguns vs bows & crossbows at close range bows/crossbows just win out right because they're silent.

Please comment below.

Pretty much also bows guarantee a kill for every hit. God knows handguns don't.
The only thing handguns have going for them is that they are slightly easier to aim with and they fit in the handgun inventory position allowing you to take two rifles... which is not much.
Honestly if HS wasnt a thing I would not use handguns except the .22 Grasshopper very often at all.

[nachthexe]

I found some information in a forum (http://m14forum.com/hearing/78442-vario ... earms.html):
Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.

there are not all calibres, but it seems that the level of noise of handguns is close enough to rifles
Some other info at http://www.elcaudio.com/tablesforweb.pdf

You realize that that the decibel scale is logarithmic? An increase of 10db is basically twice as loud.

[gas56]

I found some information in a forum (http://m14forum.com/hearing/78442-vario ... earms.html):
Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.

there are not all calibres, but it seems that the level of noise of handguns is close enough to rifles
Some other info at http://www.elcaudio.com/tablesforweb.pdf

You realize that that the decibel scale is logarithmic? An increase of 10db is basically twice as loud.

Not in measuring the sound level of firearms. There would be no way to calculate noise level unless 1st you had somewhere to start with the sound factor number with a set distance.
The loudness of the db meter was taken at a very close range, around a few feet. and around 100 yards away it will read around 60% loss on the scale. How do I know this? Where I live noise disturbance from a firearm being shot off has to be measured with a sound reading device at 93 db or lower to your closest neighbor which in my case was 100 yards to just on the other side of the road to my shooting range. And no matter how much they complained the law is the law as the noise level was @ 91.6 db with a .357 magnum handgun at that range. I never measured it from 5 feet away so I don't know the sound level from that gun, but the db above for the .357 seems pretty close with around 60% loss. All I know is that you want to wear your ear plugs at that close distance unless you want your ears to ring for awhile.

[ronMctube]

i dont think the pistols should be adjusted. a bow is a bow. that is a big reason for using.it.so no to adjusting spook range of pistol.

[TurboKid]

150m may be a bit much but 220m meters is render So i would say a range of 180m-205m or 190m-210m could house the handguns for balance purposes (giving different hand guns different distances). Giving them more use then for simulation purposes (using what you hunt in real life with) or carrying an extra caliber for competition. I usually only use my hand gun for bears that charge me (454).
I started using the 357 after they updated it a while back cause at least it started penetrating. This is also based on that in real life animals dont render at 220m so sure i would like it to be real but while its the best sim. Its still a game. I think EW would see more money also from the community. Just enough of a change that would make you think hmm should i go for the pistol this time?

180m yacht for reference


Hunting fail- deer licks the barrel of the gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_sLF3OBtc8

[nachthexe]

You realize that that the decibel scale is logarithmic? An increase of 10db is basically twice as loud.

Not in measuring the sound level of firearms. There would be no way to calculate noise level unless 1st you had somewhere to start with the sound factor number with a set distance.
The loudness of the db meter was taken at a very close range, around a few feet. and around 100 yards away it will read around 60% loss on the scale. How do I know this? Where I live noise disturbance from a firearm being shot off has to be measured with a sound reading device at 93 db or lower to your closest neighbor which in my case was 100 yards to just on the other side of the road to my shooting range. And no matter how much they complained the law is the law as the noise level was @ 91.6 db with a .357 magnum handgun at that range. I never measured it from 5 feet away so I don't know the sound level from that gun, but the db above for the .357 seems pretty close with around 60% loss. All I know is that you want to wear your ear plugs at that close distance unless you want your ears to ring for awhile.

An increase of 10 db is twice as loud, no matter what type of sound! I wrote this based on the presented numbers, I do not know how they were measured or obtained. they might be incorrect, But I can only go based on the posted values.

[Kosanderi]

An increase of 10 db is twice as loud, no matter what type of sound!

I'm not sure how you measure loudness, but if you mean power - 10dB more is 10x power, 20dB more is 100x power etc. 3dB more is roughly 2x power.

I'd like to know your thoughts when it comes to Loud Weapons vs Quiet Weapons - specifically Handguns vs Bows.

I don't think there is reason to adjust the sound of handguns. Handgun hunting is just one way to hunt. Handguns are lighter and easier to carry than rifles and easier to use than bows. Drawbacks as stated before are sound compared to bows and power compared to rifles. I can live with that. Then again I wouldn't mind suppressed weapons - rifle or handgun - integrated to the game if done reasonably.