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Selling Equipment

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isn't it a good idea to be able to sell used equipment and weapons to gain EMS. I have six of some things which I'll never use.
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No......I bet you've never even cleaned your guns.
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This has been proposed numerous times and most people think that it's never going to happen because EW would lose a lot of money. You could buy things on sale or in a temporary bundle and later sell them with a profit for example. Or you could just buy a weapon to try it or to finish a mission with it and sell it later if you don't like it or don't need it anymore. Of course it would be good for players, but not so good for EW business wise. I don't think we'll ever see this.
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How would EW lose "a lot of money" on this? If anything, it would keep the market going.

For one thing, there could be a dedicated marketplace for used items. The value of the item could be determined either by a fixed discount, or if a "wear and tear" system was implemented, an item value could be determined by how much it has been used in the field. EW could charge a percentage of the sale (the em$ difference is what they get), and both the seller and buyer gets something out of it.

Sure, it's better for EW to drive a hard line and sell everything as is now, but I can also see from MY perspective that I'm often deterred from buying new, especially bundles, because I already own one or more items. Same thing with weapons with different skins: I wouldn't mind swapping them out, but I'm not going to spend money on the new weapon because I already own one identical in specs. Now, if I could get rid of the one I own, and then buy the new weapon, I can't see how EW is in any way going to lose on this?
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Zaitzev82 wrote:How would EW lose "a lot of money" on this? If anything, it would keep the market going.

For one thing, there could be a dedicated marketplace for used items. The value of the item could be determined either by a fixed discount, or if a "wear and tear" system was implemented, an item value could be determined by how much it has been used in the field. EW could charge a percentage of the sale (the em$ difference is what they get), and both the seller and buyer gets something out of it.

Sure, it's better for EW to drive a hard line and sell everything as is now, but I can also see from MY perspective that I'm often deterred from buying new, especially bundles, because I already own one or more items. Same thing with weapons with different skins: I wouldn't mind swapping them out, but I'm not going to spend money on the new weapon because I already own one identical in specs. Now, if I could get rid of the one I own, and then buy the new weapon, I can't see how EW is in any way going to lose on this?
I agree.

What madman would do that? Buy a gun, do a mission, then sell for a lower price? What profit would the player have?
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Zaitzev82 wrote:How would EW lose "a lot of money" on this? If anything, it would keep the market going.

For one thing, there could be a dedicated marketplace for used items. The value of the item could be determined either by a fixed discount, or if a "wear and tear" system was implemented, an item value could be determined by how much it has been used in the field. EW could charge a percentage of the sale (the em$ difference is what they get), and both the seller and buyer gets something out of it.

Sure, it's better for EW to drive a hard line and sell everything as is now, but I can also see from MY perspective that I'm often deterred from buying new, especially bundles, because I already own one or more items. Same thing with weapons with different skins: I wouldn't mind swapping them out, but I'm not going to spend money on the new weapon because I already own one identical in specs. Now, if I could get rid of the one I own, and then buy the new weapon, I can't see how EW is in any way going to lose on this?
They could accomplish the same thing much simpler by offering a discount on subsequent weapons in the same weapon group.
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piomarvado wrote:What madman would do that? Buy a gun, do a mission, then sell for a lower price? What profit would the player have?
Don't forget that we have people that bought reskins just to have a higher HS (there's a little thread about it ;) ), so why shouldn't someone buy weapons just to finish a mission? For me, missions are much more motivating than HS for example - and I surely bought some guns just to get missions done. If you were able to sell them to someone else - even at a discounted price - that's money that EW loses if otherwise both players would've bought the weapon from EW directly.

Anyway, I don't want to convince you, I just wanted to say that the topic has been discussed a lot of times already and even though there hasn't been an official reply from EW yet (afaik) you shouldn't expect it to happen.
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Tanngnjostr wrote:
piomarvado wrote:What madman would do that? Buy a gun, do a mission, then sell for a lower price? What profit would the player have?
Don't forget that we have people that bought reskins just to have a higher HS (there's a little thread about it ;) ), so why shouldn't someone buy weapons just to finish a mission? For me, missions are much more motivating than HS for example - and I surely bought some guns just to get missions done. If you were able to sell them to someone else - even at a discounted price - that's money that EW loses if otherwise both players would've bought the weapon from EW directly.

Anyway, I don't want to convince you, I just wanted to say that the topic has been discussed a lot of times already and even though there hasn't been an official reply from EW yet (afaik) you shouldn't expect it to happen.
I understand this Tann, but you will not sell to another player. You will sell EW at a discount, and will buy from EW an item that you do not have. I believe we are talking about the items that come when you renew your membership, not items you buy and then repent
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piomarvado wrote:
Tanngnjostr wrote:
piomarvado wrote:What madman would do that? Buy a gun, do a mission, then sell for a lower price? What profit would the player have?
Don't forget that we have people that bought reskins just to have a higher HS (there's a little thread about it ;) ), so why shouldn't someone buy weapons just to finish a mission? For me, missions are much more motivating than HS for example - and I surely bought some guns just to get missions done. If you were able to sell them to someone else - even at a discounted price - that's money that EW loses if otherwise both players would've bought the weapon from EW directly.

Anyway, I don't want to convince you, I just wanted to say that the topic has been discussed a lot of times already and even though there hasn't been an official reply from EW yet (afaik) you shouldn't expect it to happen.
I understand this Tann, but you will not sell to another player. You will sell EW at a discount, and will buy from EW an item that you do not have. I believe we are talking about the items that come when you renew your membership, not items you buy and then repent
All item you get with standard membership renewal are free items. They are the same ones the guest player gets, so you are not paying for them. A discounted rate of 0 is still 0.
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Re: Selling Equipment

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No matter how you try to spin this idea, it doesn't benefit EW's bottom line in any way. If a player buys 5000 em$ and buys a bunch of equipment, uses it for a while, sells it back for around 4000 em$ to buy different equipment, uses that equipment for a while, then sells it back for 3000 em$, and continues to do so, at the end of the day, that player is still getting the benefit of using all of this different equipment on their original purchase of 5000 em$. I can't imagine them spending development time & resources to develop a system that directly hits their bottom line.
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